Wayne Jones - Let's Learn Together - The PIT Show Preseason
Sep 01, 2020 16:46 PM
This is the PIT Show, a new format combining reflections and interviews with people working in technology. We're in the preseason so expect some changes, but we kick this off with an explainer, an interview with Wayne Jones and a tribute to Chadwick Boseman.
everybody, it's J real quick.
There's gonna be a music change. Just so you know, we've been publishing these videos to YouTube. You can find more about that on productivity and tech dot com,
but because we're gonna be pushing more and more on YouTube, I'm not able to use the existing Intron Outro music due to licensing reasons. Even though I've been given permission, I'm still going to get copyright strikes. So we've changed up the music. It's gonna be the music for the
future until something changes it. So
that's it. I'm also going to be doing a little bit with the rebranding, getting things done early. So there may be a little disconnect in the recorded audio in the interview and the intro. That's it.
Under the show.
It's too stays.
What's up, everybody? I'm J. Miller. This is the pit show. Now, you might be wondering. Wait a minute. I thought this was productivity and yeah, I know. We're gonna We're gonna talk about that in just a second. But I'm so glad that you are able to join me today. I've got a great interview coming up, but first, let's dive into this.
So what is this? Whatever you're looking at now,
basically, the show has taken on this format. That was kind of by accident, where I started doing
a reflection in an interview and a reflection and an interview and inter flexion and a review and all of these other things. But
I kind of got tired of that. Honestly, I felt like what was really happening was that you were getting to shows and I thought to myself, If you're going to get two shows, why don't I just give you two shows, but not in the way that you think
I didn't want to give you
another feed? In fact, once upon a time, there used to be a show called The Pit Reflections, where literally, it was just me thinking and doing and talking and doing all that stuff. So if I wasn't going to give you two podcasts, but I was going to give you
basically two different parts to one show, how could I do it better?
And the solution that I came to was one that I really enjoyed.
So here it is. Basically, you're going to get me talking just like I am now for a few minutes on every show.
I'm gonna be talking a little bit about the subject that my guests will be talking about. I'll be talking a little bit about what's going on in my week. I'll be talking about a little bit. What's going on in, ah, current events? And then we'll jump into my interview
now. In that interview,
it will be the same interview that you're used to just a little bit shorter.
Probably about 15 to 20 minutes sometimes maybe even 10 minutes. But here's the thing. I'm still going to give you the whole interview and I do that a couple of ways. One, I'm gonna stretch the interviews out a little bit. I'm going to cover a couple of different topics so that you can see
that different parts of my guests as we're talking about things, and we often do this anyway. We often talk about
a couple of different areas in their life, so it makes sense to do that anyway.
Now, if you want to listen to the entire interview, you can still do that. I'm gonna be making the full interview available when the first episode drops on the bonus feed now for those that are listening to this for the first time, and you're just like this whole thing is just blowing my mind right now. The bonus feed is simply a free podcast that is available via the RSS feed only now there's a reason I do that one. I want to make sure that I'm able to put all of my focus and energy in the main show, but I also want to make sure that people are still getting the content that they want and deserve.
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you might be wondering, Is this gonna be a lot more work? You're right. It ISS.
Every once in a while, I'm going to talk about a product or a thing that I'm doing or trying or looking at and those will probably have affiliate codes. Now, I try to think what would be the best way for me to
make a little bit of money off of this show toe make up for the effort and the work that I'm putting in without selling your data without giving your information to third parties and the affiliate market is still probably the best way. In fact, it's kind of bad for me because I don't make that much off of affiliate revenue. I mean, I think last month on Amazon I made a whole $1.5. So there is that. But
at the end of the day, the pit show is just one piece of an overall business that is productivity in tech. So I'm not too worried about making money on this side of it, because I'm gonna be making money from my clients that I work with. And also, you know, I've got a day job, so ah, lot of this is from the heart. A lot of this is just me wanting to show my passion and show my love for the things that I talk about. The guests that I bring on and The only way that I can continue to do that is that I make sure that there are no strings attached on the monetary side.
So the last thing you might be thinking is what about the after show? The after show is still gonna be there. Still gonna be on the bonus feed. If you want it, you get it. It will be on a separate track from the
full conversation. I'm still going to do that for you because I know some people prefer the after shows over the main shows. Some people don't want to listen to the after shows.
I'm okay with all of that.
So that's it. This is the pit show. This is the new thing. We got the new music at the interview. Still got the reflections. Still, I'm gonna skip the early reflection on this one and dive right into the interview.
So this first interview waas with someone that I had just met online. I had listened to them give a talk about one of the projects that they had, and we'll get more to detail about that project on the second part of this conversation. But here it is, my conversation with Wayne Jones
on the line with me. I have
N Y u Grad, currently a full stack software engineer, and you can often catch him learning and hacking away on twitch the one the only Wayne Jones coming away from New York City. Weighing How are you doing this evening?
Doing are a just chillin weather's nice, So enjoying it.
So this is this is one of the cool conversations that I've had just recently of, like, this idea of connecting with more and more developers online that are
like, not giving keynote speeches. And then you gotta, like, try to send the email out and be like, Hey, sir, my you know, for you to be on my podcast, like being able to catch people on switch, doing cool stuff and ah,
man is interesting because I've been watching a lot of the coding stuff that you've been doing lately, and I'm
I feel like I'm annoying you at times because it's just like, Hey, man, I know, I know you're just trying to show that you can do this, but shouldn't that be like
now, like I love the, um, the coding community on twitch and It's very fun, like, very helpful as well. Especially if I
going to a roadblock when it comes to coding and not necessarily knowing how to solve a solution.
Community is definitely there to help. Um, yeah,
how How has that been? Because I just got into, like, doing a lot more like coding live streams. And I've noticed more and more like you have a couple of types of folks that come into the stream. You have the people that, like know what they're doing and are just there to tell you that you're doing it wrong. And then you also have, like, the people that have, like, no idea what's going on. So they're just asking 1000 questions. And you're like,
as much as I want to help you right now,
I'm trying to figure this out like I can't answer this question because I don't know the answer.
Yeah, and like it,
it's like for some of my streams, like I do algorithm type questions. So this is like the typical questions you'll see in a technical interview and then some streams. I'm doing like, uh,
doing like, my own assignment. A coding assignments, um,
or maybe a personal project that, like it seems like
depending on what type of content that I'm doing, you would have different types of people that are, um,
watching your stream. So, like, for algorithm questions, those are typically the people that are trying to learn a little bit more about, um,
coding in general,
building out your algorithms had optimized solution. Um,
And for me, um,
in terms of like doing these streams,
I am not only the person that, like
I guess can give the answers when it comes to like, these algorithm type questions. But also, I'm learning as well as I'm coding eso. It's just like I'm learning from the community. Um, pretty much coding as I go that I call it where it's like
it puts it more into perspective.
when you're watching a stream like minds because
me personally, I'm a developer for six years as a full stack Web developer, but
even myself, with all these years of experience, I don't have all the answers and you'll see me make stupid mistakes. You'll see me have, like, syntax, errors of missing semi colon, and it will take me like 30 minutes, debug and I'm like,
uh, face palming the entire time once I figure out the answer to my problems, but
it puts, I guess, my shame in general. Just put ST Moritz respect. Perspective. Um,
when it comes suggests learning with me, learning the fundamentals of coding. Andi,
just like program, lingers in general.
No, I love that. And I love that. Like one of the things that you were talking about there is like
being being able to
stream, even though you don't have all the answers. Like, I think that that's
that's such a
strange thing because, you know, one of the things that I've always I've always tried to like, tell people like you don't have to always put
your best foot forward, but like at least show that you're trying to put your best before like
no one expects everyone to have, like all the answers 100% of time. Well, I'm wrong. The Internet expects you to have all the answers are present at the time, But people in reality,
I feel like it's easier to relate to someone who is struggling, and in fact that's
one of the things that we have in common is we both stream like late at night and I can only imagine, like
for me when I'm streaming I've been working all day, I get double work and I'm like, All right now it's timeto start writing code for projects that I'm passionate about, and it's like I'm so tired like I can't think about this. And so many times I've just been like, all right, where stream is over. Like, Let's we're calling it here because I can't figure this out. And then the very next morning, like, I come up with solution in like, 20 minutes and I'm like saying I should have just went to sleep earlier and then I would have had
That the answer. Do you have the same problem? Like I know you stream late at night to write?
Yeah, I stood in late tonight here in New York. Um, so it goes to, like,
maybe I start machine maybe around 6 to 7 p.m. Even though I've been wanting to start a little bit earlier. But I usually end my streams around like midnight one AM and I'm like,
i e I'm done. I
need to stop here, so I'm not getting any sleep.
Has screaming kind of been like the replacement for going to meet ups and local events?
Yeah, well, streaming in general like
like for me personally before pre cove it. I've never went to any developer conferences to learn about new technologies. And I guess this covert situation I guess the pros out of this, if you can call it that, is that most of these deaf conferences air now online. And now you can just, uh, sign up. Most of them were for free. You can go online and learn something new. Eso for me. Personally, I've been focused mainly on react, but I've been babbling into a little bit more about continue ization including docker kubernetes um, learning a little bit more about no Js on the back end on. And, of course, just doing things that manipulating things to react
dollars to, like fast since the colors and then, um, paying for travel and lodging,
it's just the costs adds up on. And of course, I didn't have a didn't have a company that would pay for, uh, me to travel to these conferences, although that would be ideal. But I didn't have that opportunity.
I definitely get that. I mean, currently, I'm working as a marketer. So what? I tell them like, Hey, I want to go to this event. They're like, Oh, is it like Adobe Maximum like, No, it's pie Khan and it's in Pittsburgh and it's for a week and they're like,
Yeah, I know you can. You can take vacation and and do that but I think some time off exactly. And I think that that's the being that
I hope we learned from this this time of not being able t gather in place. I mean, we watched
some of the largest conferences in the world. Some of the largest tech conferences in the world moved an online platform and become available for the first time for so many people that whether you can afford a ticket or you can't afford travel and things like that one of like, I think the second conference I ever went to, the only reason I went was because
I split my hotel fair with a friend of mine.
I got my flight covered by the conference organizers, so the only thing I had to pay for like in full was my ticket to the conference, and the tickets were like 25 bucks. And it was like, So for like that, it was like, Yes, this is This is exactly how I go to this conference. But every other conference, like, I like local conferences. I like the small, like, two day conferences that air like $50 for a ticket, and you only got to get a hotel room for like, a single night because a nobody trying to pay thousands of dollars out of their own pocket to go to an event and
and you could just present it online like I love how pie cascades like they live stream their conference like the entire like If you don't have a ticket, that's fine. Just log onto YouTube and it's there. It's being presented live. And then, like North Bay Python, they do. They work with, uh,
a company called Next Day Video, and
we're literally giving the conference talk and then getting an email like an hour and a half later, like Hey, do your do you consent to release this video on the YouTube and it's like all day and I was quick and like, literally, you got conference videos up the next day and you're like,
This is what? This is how it should be. Like, I'm glad that a lot of these places put their videos and stuff up, but
I love that they're smaller conferences that are able to be like, as soon as the talk is given, It's like we're already getting it ready for the rest of the world to consume.
Yeah, with this, I guess, with this whole Kobe environment.
And once you go back to, like, quote unquote normal. Ah,
I guess environment or situation, um, I'm hoping, and I tweeted this out that I'm hoping all these, like developer conferences have more, um, accessible type of means of,
showing off the different keynotes and different workshops via, like, streaming tools like YouTube or twitch,
and hopefully be a little bit more accessible to develop those who can't afford to go out to these
All right, let me tell you all story
in 2018 to amazing movies came out that absolutely changed
my mind, set on
what was important in black cinema,
and that was
and Spider Man into the spider verse. I think you know where I'm going here. If you don't well, listen anyway,
2018 was also the same year that my daughter was born,
so I spent most of 2018 either
anticipating my first child or not sleeping because of my first child.
One of the things that stressed me out more than anything was the lack of representation
for people of color
in the space
in any space. I mean the fact that we have an entire month where we can talk about all the great African Americans and black, um,
ethnic groups and individuals that did amazing things. The fact that we cover all of that in one month kind of tells you that there's a lack of information and knowledge and observance
of people of color doing amazing things.
I've said it before, and plenty of the interviews that I've had and that I've given with people that I think that the biggest thing that is
the biggest thing that impacted me
in my career path
was finally seeing people that looked like me
being successful, seeing people in the position that I'm in now making it. In fact, that's What my life goal is is to find people of all races, all ethnicities, all sexual orientations that are like me in some way, shape or form, and to show them
that just because they're weird just because they're into rock and, like all other black friends aren't just because they like computers or whatever, that makes you normal.
And you have a pathway to success
you're talking to, Ah, college dropout that is doing amazing for himself in his family.
But I didn't see that growing up. I saw drug dealers. I saw crackheads.
I saw dropouts, rejects.
I saw all of these things, but I saw a lack of success.
Fast forward to 2018.
I am for the first time seeing superheroes being portrayed as people of color.
I knew the story of Black Panther following in the comics, but it wasn't one that was told. It was one that was kind of behind the scenes a little bit. So it was great to see these stories being put on screen, not stories about civil rights.
It's so important that we have those conversations,
but I'm tired of people of color only being asked to sit at the table to talk about their troubles.
So to actually have someone come in and be a superhero meant the world to me.
Then I saw Spiderman into the spider verse.
I knew of Miles Morales,
but that was just another example of breaking into a space that was primarily not reserved
for black people. For people of color, people of color didn't have a spot in
And if they did, it was always the gangbangers and the Gangsters or the B rated superheroes like Static Shock.
One of the people that helped
make that a reality
someone who had
the suave and swagger of
an address, Elba or a Denzel Washington,
but was making stuff for my generation and for the generation that would come behind me,
someone that spent
the primary portion of his most successful moments
disease and illness,
someone that was taken away really early.
I had this whole thing planned out about how August was over and how it was starting September off of my Boo Joe and all that stuff. But then I realized it was so much more important
to take a second
in a world that's full of hatred in a world that's full of protest ing and riots in a world that's full of disease
to just stop and bring a little clarity toe why
people like Chadwick, Boseman or so
And he's not the last person.
I'm glad to see that we have new action stars. I'm glad to see people like Michael B. Jordan, who have been watching since he was a kid on hardball.
I'm glad that we can see
black executives like Soma ST John.
I'm glad that we're starting to see these things,
but I have to stop and take a moment
for a younger version of me
that wish he would have been a kid when he first saw Black Panther
that he would have been a kid when he first found out about Miles Morales.
and I mourn the loss of Chadwick Boseman,
But I'm encouraged
because I know that he left a legacy
that will hopefully inspire my little daughter
and will inspire more people like me
in the future.
Thanks for listening, everybody having your host, J. Miller. This has been the pit show, the first episode of the Reboot
Thank you so much for enjoying.
The pit show was hosted, edited and produced by me. J. Miller. You can connect with me online at K. J. Why Miller on Twitter? Or you can check out my website at K. J. Why? Miller dot com
My guest for the episode Waas Bane Jones
Follow him on Twitter at Wayne of life.
That's gonna do it for this week. I've been your host, J. Miller. Thank you so much for listening. And until next time,